1 Friday, 1 March 2002
2 [Closed session]
12 Pages 1344 to 1431 redacted, closed session.
6 [Open session]
7 JUDGE MAY: I would refer to the schedule, which I hope everyone's
8 got a copy of, for the proposed sittings next week. We propose sitting
9 rather longer hours, if we begin at half past nine.
10 You've seen this, Mr. Nice, have you?
11 MR. NICE: In fact, not. I don't know why not.
12 JUDGE MAY: Copies for the Prosecution?
13 MR. NICE: It had reached someone, apparently, in our office. It
14 just hasn't reached me yet. Thank you very much.
15 JUDGE MAY: What is proposed is that on Monday, we should sit
16 rather longer, until 5.00. Thereafter next week, we will be sitting at
17 9.00, apart, obscurely, I see, on what's described as Friday. I don't
18 know why on Friday we're not sitting at 9.00. But in any event, next
19 week, apart from Monday, we'll be sitting at 9.00 and only sitting in the
21 Then for the weeks beginning the 11th of March, 18th of March and
22 the 25th of March until Thursday the 28th, it's proposed we sit at 9.30.
23 We then sit until 5.00.
24 The reason that we're doing that is because the length of time
25 which this case is taking and is likely to take. It's therefore necessary
1 to have some extra time.
2 Now, we've heard no submissions about it. I understand Mr.
3 Milosevic may have something to say on the matter, but I'll begin with
4 you. Is there any reason, as far as the Prosecution are concerned?
5 MR. NICE: I'm sorry I hadn't had an opportunity or I hadn't taken
6 it to consider the document in advance. Obviously, we'll do everything we
7 can to assist and we're grateful for the opportunity to have more court
9 It remains, actually, a substantial burden of work on the entire
10 team to keep these days full, but we will do our best and let you know if
11 we find any real reason for asking for shorter periods. We will do our
12 best, but it is very difficult.
13 JUDGE MAY: There are a large number of witnesses --
14 THE INTERPRETER: Microphone, Your Honour.
15 JUDGE MAY: Thank you. There may be -- and there may be more, of
17 MR. NICE: Indeed. Yes, certainly. I think that which is
18 probably obvious to the Trial Chamber but differs from the experience in
19 domestic courts is that each witness - or most witnesses - represent a
20 substantial amount of work before they come to trial, and perhaps it's the
21 case with Kosovan witnesses that it's even longer than with other
22 witnesses, and so there is a great deal of work that is being done. The
23 team is doing its best and gets in early to do so and works until very
24 late to do so. We will simply do our best and let you know if those are
25 difficulties that we can't face.
1 JUDGE MAY: We reiterate again that the timetable is one we must
2 adhere to if at all possible, no matter how long things take. If at all
3 possible, we must try to finish these sections of the case in the various
4 dates that we've designated. I'll point that out as an objective.
5 MR. NICE: We realise that's an objective, but --
6 THE INTERPRETER: Microphone, Mr. Nice.
7 MR. NICE: We realise that, of course, as an objective, but must
8 remind the Chamber that all estimates of times given were given on a
9 different expectation and on the expectation that the accused would not be
10 taking part. I'm very happy to see that he is taking part, but when the
11 time estimates were given, they were given without that knowledge.
12 JUDGE MAY: Is there anything, Mr. Wladimiroff, you'd like to
13 raise since we're dealing with timetables and the like?
14 MR. WLADIMIROFF: No, Your Honour.
15 JUDGE MAY: Thank you. Mr. Milosevic, is there something you want
16 to raise on this?
17 THE ACCUSED: [Interpretation] Yes, I did want to say something in
18 respect of the timetable. This is the third one that I have received, but
19 that doesn't matter, it's not important. Let me be quite clear at the
20 outset: I'm not asking for anything except I merely wish to make you
21 aware of some facts with respect to the timetable.
22 If the end of our work by the end of March is 5.00 p.m., if the
23 working day is to finish at 5.00 p.m. until the end of March, that, in
24 practical terms, means that as I have to get up, according to my
25 timetable, at 7.00 a.m., I have to be ready by 8.00 a.m. for transport and
1 I get back, at the earliest, at 6.00, get back to the prison at 6.00 p.m.
2 at the earliest, from 6.00 to 8.30 is the only time in which I can use the
3 telephone, which means two and a half hours in the evening, which means
4 that I have been -- that I won't be able to use my two hours of fresh air
5 per day, which is the right of every detainee, and the guards also
6 complain of not having enough fresh air. But with these longer working
7 hours, I will not have a chance to go out into the fresh air.
8 During those two and a half hours, I will have to have something
9 to eat and to hear my family over the phone. So I will not have an
10 opportunity to go out into the fresh air, to have any exercise, any food,
11 or any personal needs. And the possibility I have to communicate with my
12 associates will also be restricted, because that time has been limited to
13 8.30, when everything closes down. So I won't be able to use the public
14 phone box which exists in the corridor either after that time.
15 Let me repeat: I make no requests, I don't ask for anything,
16 but I want it to be known what conditions I have been placed in, and if
17 this is a way to abuse and mistreat the accused, then I would like to have
18 this understood in this way, because in the time that I have at my
19 disposal, I'm not able to see to my basic human needs, especially as you
20 intend to have this last endlessly. But a human being does have the need
21 to breathe fresh air, to eat, and to communicate.
22 As I say, let me repeat, I'm not asking for anything. I just want
23 this to be noted.
24 [Trial Chamber confers]
25 JUDGE MAY: We'll consider what the accused has said and obviously
1 it is something we will take into account. One compromise might be to sit
2 at 9.00 and stop at 4.30 or to rearrange the hours in some other way. But
3 we'll look at it.
4 Unless there are any other matters, half past nine Monday morning.
5 MR. NICE: No other matters save I think next week the Chamber
6 intend -- or may have intended to hear argument about 92 bis and may also
7 have intended to hear argument about the scope of cross-examination. In
8 respect to both topics, papers are either in or are shortly to be in from
9 the amici and from the Prosecution. I've already asked that, if there is
10 to be legal argument, it shouldn't be on Friday of next week or indeed on
11 Friday of the following week because on each of those days I either shan't
12 be here or shall have to be leaving early.
13 JUDGE MAY: Very well. We'll bear that in mind.
14 Half past nine Monday morning
15 --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 3.47,
16 to be reconvened on Monday, the 4th day of March,
17 2002, at 9.30 a.m.